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Amazing Selling Machine (ASM) is not a scam by any means. They're 100% legitimate.

There, I said it.

ASM does NOT compensate me if you sign up with their $3997+ program. Go ahead, get it here. That's not an affiliate link. (Translation: I don't get paid anything if you buy it.)

Why am I saying it's not a scam, then? Well, it isn't. If you remember a few years ago, I gave those guys (Matt and Jason, founders of ASM) a really hard time, and went out of my way to discourage you from signing up.

But as years went by, a weird thing happened. Those guys proved that they're a legitimate business. And they kept churning out legitimate Amazon seller success stories, growing and hiring at their office in Houston Texas, attracting quality partners, and honoring all their 30-day refund requests from customers.

But I'm still not promoting ASM. That may sound crazy to you. Because as an affiliate with the size of my audience (17,000+ unique readers, 4,000 Facebook followers, and 10,000+ YouTube subscribers), I could make an easy $20,000+ in affiliate commissions from ASM - in 2 weeks!

Am I stupid? No. I'm not promoting it because the price - up to $5,000 if you pay in installments - unsettles me a little. That's not ASM's fault - they're pricing what the market will bear. Thousands of ambitious Amazon sellers will buy it.  Some will succeed, others will fail - but that has nothing to do with ASM (more on that in a moment).

ASM is arguably a bargain if it's juxtaposed against, say, my useless Boston University MBA, which I paid $35,000 for in 1998. An MBA today (still useless in most scenarios) will cost you around $85,000

But many of my readers are hard-pressed for cash, just starting out, or not ready to make such a large financial commitment.

See, there are other trusted Amazon systems/courses that focus on sourcing and selling private label products (your own products on Amazon), for a fraction of the price. And they're all from my honest, trustworthy partners.

And many of you will ask me "Jordan, what's the difference between Amazing Selling Machine and your recommended [Enter Course Name Here]?"

The truthful answer: Not a whole lot.

All the trusted courses:

  • Teach the general same techniques and strategies
  • Offer a few bells and whistles.
  • Offer no-questions-asked money back guarantees

But not one of them has THE magic bullet to your success. Nor do they offer anything that makes private label markedly "easier" or "faster".

(Some of them will respond to this post and say "Yeah but we have ___________ features that make us really unique from the rest!". That's a great selling point but it's not critical to you pulling off private label successfully. I don't care what the features are.)

See, an Amazon seller's degree of success tends to directly correlate to the amount of work he/she puts in to learning and doing, regardless of which trusted course they take.

Oh boy that was good. So I'll say it again:

An Amazon seller's degree of success tends to directly correlate to the amount of work he/she puts in to learning and doing...

A course (again, a trusted one) is something that can help you along the way. If you follow it step-by-step and execute, it's a tremendous asset.

And with other trusted courses generally teaching the same tactics, why pay that much? You don't need the bells and whistles to be sucessful.

So, what are my top recommendations* for you?

For Private Label (what Amazing Selling Machine teaches):

1.) Proven Amazon Course ($399). This will teach you Private Label the "Easy Way" via their Private Label 2.0 Mentor program (included in the price). And if you don't want to source private label but still sell on Amazon, there are at least 12 other courses within Proven Amazon Course that will teach you A-Z: retail arbitrage, online arbitrage, Amazon Merch, book sourcing and selling, reselling coffee, wholesale, and a whole lot more. Pay once and get lifetime access, lifetime updates and an anytime 10o% money back guarantee. Right now it's my top pick. At least read the testimonials here.

2.) StartupBros  ($2997) If you're looking for an apples-to-apples close pick to ASM but for $1,000 less, the StartupBros have been churning out big e-commerce experts for a while now (I've been following them for a few years.) Learn step-by-step how to launch a profitable e-commerce business from scratch. You can pay in installments, give full access to a partner for just $197 extra, and enjoy their 90-day 100% money back guarantee.

Other trusted experts:

The most important takeaway for you, whether you buy ASM, another course/system, or learn on your own for free:  Take action. I've seen hundreds of sellers fail because they don't take the first few steps - they just prematurely quit. Take action, follow through, ask questions, and pick yourself up if you fall down.

I welcome your comments and feedback below.

-Jordan

*I am an affiliate of some of my recommendations above (Not ASM). That means if you buy any of them, I may receive a small commission from them.

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  • Rephael Inbar October 19, 2017, 7:25 pm

    I’ve done the ASM course a few years back.

    ASM may not be a proper scam but it is sold like one. What potential members are NOT told is how much $$$$ over and above the cost of the ASM course are needed in order to start a PL (or any other for that matter) biz on Amazon.

    You need an at least an additional $4000-$5000 to have a decent chance of success: For inventory, for marketing, Apps subscriptions and other expenses not mentioned in the course and certainly not mentioned before you buy the course.

    Furthermore, the ASM guys rarely attend to their FB group that is the main place for course related issues and support. This group in the MAIN value you’re paying for.

    As Jordan says here, the course itself is not worth $4000+. The courses he recommends gives you about as much information.

    The ASM guys sell their course like most internet marketers sell: Hugely over-promises and many false and unrealistic statements that simply represent only their success stories. They have signed up over 20,000 students so far and created a $100 million business off the backs of many people that failed. THE VAST MAJORITY (99%) OF ASM STUDENTS DO NOT SUCCEED and while it’s true that some fail because of themselves, many fail because they go in without the capital and without realistic expectations (thanks to how the course is sold).

    I personally know of at least 100 people who joined the course with me and have lost many thousands of dollars trying to make it work. Many of those – very capable and experienced individuals.

    Lastly, I would say the now days, the whole Amazon Seller biz model is not nearly as attractive as it was several years ago. Competition has gotten incredible fierce and of course there is the inherent issues with the Amazon biz model.

    Cheers!

    • Michael October 20, 2017, 5:27 pm

      Rephael, I totally get your concerns and think they are warranted.
      I also believe that if you go into anything with certain expectations, regardless of what is being “sold” to you, you are destined to be disappointed.
      Go in with a healthy skepticism and put in all the work.

    • Jack October 24, 2017, 8:17 pm

      How do you know that 99% of the students failed? Just curious. Is there actual facts to back that up or are you just making an assumption?

  • Chuck Saltzman October 19, 2017, 8:12 pm

    Thank you for this info Jordan

  • Phil Smy October 19, 2017, 10:05 pm

    Thank you for writing an article like this. I feel exactly the same.
    As the owner behind zonmaster I get lots of questions about ASM…now I can just refer them here!

  • Ken Mason October 19, 2017, 10:15 pm

    Jordan, listened to the ASM pitch and wondered why anyone would be willing to pay $3997 and more for this program. I have it all plus more with PAC and I did not even pay $399 for it. If someone pays that much for a program, they should run the business for the buyer.

    Great article, as always, you are the best. Las Vegas Strong!

    • Jordan Malik October 19, 2017, 10:23 pm

      Thanks Ken. Some customers of ASM have also attested the $3997+ was worth it, to them. I think the value is subjective from one customer to the next.

  • Minnie October 19, 2017, 10:29 pm

    ASM is not a scam. It is a great system with a huge amount of support and a very detailed course. It has all the finer details for setting up a business on Amazon. The big issue is Amazon itself. Once you get product going, the returns are fairly small for the effort one puts in. You need numerous products
    to really make some decent returns. There are all sorts of fees and charges, in particular, if you store your product in Amazon. There are a lot of stumbling blocks; most of them can be settled with the aid of ASM and those who mentor members. However, unless you are fortunate enough to land some well in demand/selling items, then you are up against it. Then there are the listing hijackings, product hijackings etc. Don’t know if a Google search will help, but well worth the time to look at all aspects of selling on Amazon. As for the ASM team, a better and more honest/supportive organisation you will be lucky to find and the course itself is great. If they cut down on the affiliate payment, maybe that would make it a little more attractive.

    • Jordan Malik October 20, 2017, 1:16 pm

      Minnie – thanks for writing. No doubt the days of just sending anything into Amazon and immediately reaping big windfalls of cash over. Now we all have to treat selling on Amazon as a ‘real business’ with the same inherent risks as any online business, BUT (unlike most other online businesses) the rewards can be high. Selling on Amazon still has far more positives than negatives, regardless of the type of sourcing done (Retail arbitrage, online arbitrage, wholesale, private label, liquidation, etc.)

    • Rephael Inbar October 22, 2017, 4:41 pm

      Minie,

      I think you’re one in very few that had a positive experience with the ASM team. If it wasn’t for volunteer support members on their FB group, they would have been done a long time ago. The founders seldom show up to answer questions and issues.

      And there’s amazon itself, which is where the real problem is. Your store isn’t really yours; your listings aren’t yours and “your” customers aren’t your customers. In addition, Amazon can shut you down at a moment’s notice and all your hard work + inventory are now worth close to nothing. That is far too much risk for any business owner that wants to rely on their online business for steady income. Invest the same amount of money and effort into your own niche store (e.g. Shopify or BigCommerce) using a dropshipping approach
      and you’ll do far better.

  • mac October 20, 2017, 12:21 am

    ASM is not worth it. Paid for it in 2013, lost $5000. They show you how easy it is to “find” products to sell. This is very misleading. They showing how to identify products that can do well on amazon, I do give them that. However, finding a product is not easy. You can find 100s of suppliers for any product, that’s not the issue. The issue is finding a supplier that will give you a quality product (with quality I mean as good as whatever is sold on amazon) at a price where you can make a profit. Tried that, ended up spending lots of money on samples and got either terrible quality compared to what is sold on amazon or the price was so high that I would have lost money trying to sell it. Tried this with a few products and then decided to cut my losses. Even though they have a 30 day trial where I could get a full refund, the part where they show you how to acquire the product is in week 4. So, by the time I got my samples and realized I was screwed, it was too late for a refund. This product may be useful for someone with deep pockets or someone who already has a product. If someone needs buy in installments, they really shouldn’t, they will end up losing their money. I would say if you have at least 20k to spare, this course may work for you.

    • Jordan Malik October 20, 2017, 1:14 pm

      Hi Mac – no doubt, finding reliable suppliers in China can be a big wrestling match BUT when you do find one, it gets easier. I was turned on to sourcing from U.S. suppliers via ProvenPrivateLabel (which is now included in Proven Amazon Course.) And my up-front investment in products was $500 (versus, say, $3,000 for my minimum order quantity in China, albeit for a different product). Like any other course/system, ASM *can* work if you stay committed and keep trying.

  • Burnis October 20, 2017, 12:52 am

    Thanks, Jordan! I really appreciate and enjoy your straight-forward, no nonsense attitude!

  • Matthew edwards October 20, 2017, 7:56 am

    Thank you Jordan.
    I am in the process of going through the PAC and some of your courses and others from your trusted partners. So far all have been good advice. But just like you so ellagantly put it. If you don’t do the work and invest the time no system will work. Thanks for all of you great content and I appreciate you looking out for those of us just trying to get started on limited funds.

    • Jordan Malik October 20, 2017, 1:09 pm

      Thanks Matthew, I’m thankful for your feedback and kind words.

  • Julie October 20, 2017, 11:00 am

    This article right here is why I like you. I wouldn’t have bought it anyway but I think this shows how you care about the people who follow you. That is more appreciated more than you (or maybe you do know). Thank you for that.

  • Kevin October 20, 2017, 1:36 pm

    Another great heads-up. Thank you Jordan. I saw your first warnings three years ago and decided to steer well clear of these jokers. I’m surprised they’re back. Just out of curiosity, I looked at their website about a year ago, and they were involved with an entire portfolio of b2b ventures, including (of all things) real estate spruiking. By the way, what happened to that mother & daughter lawyer team they sent after you a while back?

    • Jordan Malik October 20, 2017, 3:40 pm

      Hi Kevin. I think the portfolio you’re referring to is their Amazing.com product ($99/month, access to udemy-like courses for learning multiple different streams of income, including Amazon). I am an affiliate of that one only, but to be fair I don’t think their course content has been updated for approx. 1 year.

      The interesting thing is The Amazing Selling Machine guys have been doing this for 4-5 years in a row, with the same company name and same address. If they were underhanded or crooked or doing anything illegal, they would have had to dissolve and/or change names and/or re-package under a different name, and/or receive a class action suit and/or a big consumer outrage, and I don’t see any of that. I think their offer, program, and money-back guarantee is ‘fair’ and they’ve operated fairly. It’s just their price point is considerably higher than what you can find comparably with (say) Proven Amazon Course (just one example).

      As for their lawyer, they were just doing their job by protecting the Amazing Selling Machine ‘brand’. There wasn’t much sense in me trying to fight them, so I complied. I’m not sure if they still represent them today.

  • Michael October 20, 2017, 5:28 pm

    Jordan, thank you for saying what is honest and true.
    There is NO Golden Ticket.

    Appreciate your transparency.

  • Mary October 20, 2017, 6:39 pm

    Just purchased this product because it seemed reasonable for what I want to do. Not necessarily interested in private label at this time, but I am hoping the other information can help me to grow my business. I started selling on Amazon about 2 years ago after purchasing another basic, reasonable coarse, not mentioned here. It was a great coarse and enough to help me get started. I am now wanting to grow and thought that this coarse was the right price point for that. I am sure that it will help me because of their reputation and can’t wait to dive into it. Thanks, just what I was looking for.

  • Sarge October 20, 2017, 7:26 pm

    Hi Jordon, I must say, as usual you hit the nail smack dab on the head, let’s use a little common sense here, does anyone really want to spend a ton of money for similar, proven training you could get for much less ….hmmm well let’s weigh this out, if you were to purchase all three of your other suggestions you would get a wider variety of training and 3 different perspectives for far less than purchasing ASM. …. I’m just saying, do the math and save your money to buy inventory. Thanks buddy for all you do to help others.

    • Jordan Malik October 20, 2017, 9:20 pm

      Hey James Quick! Great to hear from you buddy. Thanks for the note.

  • Fellios October 21, 2017, 2:25 pm

    It’s ASM 8 already?! How time flies.

    When will these guys stop beating a dead horse? Same thing every time. 100 hot products that only saturate market. Overall same rehashed content, just packaged better.

    • Jordan Malik October 21, 2017, 2:31 pm

      Hi Fellios:

      To be fair, even my trusted partners (who offer private label systems/training) repeat the same benefits – with some exceptions – every time the offer/do a re-launch. It’s nothing new in the world of marketing.

  • T October 21, 2017, 2:35 pm

    Obviously, common sense is not very common. To me, it makes zero sense to be spending thousands of $$$ on something you can get for a few hundred bucks!

  • Bernie Santos October 28, 2017, 7:50 pm

    Wish I had read this before signing up for ASM8. !

  • Nicholas Hauser October 31, 2017, 7:39 pm

    I signed up for ASM7, and decided that with a full time job, the amount of time and effort it would involve to knock it out of the park with PL didn’t make it a practical reality for me. (Yes, I’m sure others have made it work; it just wasn’t where I was at.)
    What drives the point home about how (IMO unreasonably) high a price point ASM is, is the fact that if you get others to sign under your affiliate, you get to pocket $2K. So sure, you can make up that initial $4K outlay if you get others to sign up, but for me, I’d have to be *really* on board with ASM in order to, in good conscience, personally pitch it like it is advertised.

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